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Gohan's rustiness
Topic Started: Jul 4 2013, 10:00 PM (1,790 Views)
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Andro38Z
Jul 5 2013, 06:05 PM
The same applies for the battle between Cell and Gohan. They may have been random punches and kicks but it is how they used them that decides each their skills.
Not really. In that fight, just like most others, Gohan simply prevailed because he was faster and stronger; Cell can't dodge his blows and he suffers great damage from them, and there isn't the slightest hint that Gohan used skill to his advantage. The same applies to virtually every fight in the series.

Say a kung fu master and I have the same strength and speed. But the kung fu master has an extensive knowledge of kung fu, whereas I only have some basic knowledge of martial arts. I don't stand a chance. Compare that to the fights in Dragonball - Goku fighting Freeza almost evenly before the latter's stamina fails him, despite the former telling Freeza that his skills need polishing near the end of the fight. Piccolo fighting #17 evenly, despite #17 being a random teenager turned into a robot with a huge power level. Kid Boo fighting Goku evenly, when Boo is just a maniacal accidental creation. And so on.
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Jul 6 2013, 09:47 AM
Andro38Z
Jul 5 2013, 06:05 PM
The same applies for the battle between Cell and Gohan. They may have been random punches and kicks but it is how they used them that decides each their skills.
Not really. In that fight, just like most others, Gohan simply prevailed because he was faster and stronger; Cell can't dodge his blows and he suffers great damage from them, and there isn't the slightest hint that Gohan used skill to his advantage. The same applies to virtually every fight in the series.

Say a kung fu master and I have the same strength and speed. But the kung fu master has an extensive knowledge of kung fu, whereas I only have some basic knowledge of martial arts. I don't stand a chance. Compare that to the fights in Dragonball - Goku fighting Freeza almost evenly before the latter's stamina fails him, despite the former telling Freeza that his skills need polishing near the end of the fight. Piccolo fighting #17 evenly, despite #17 being a random teenager turned into a robot with a huge power level. Kid Boo fighting Goku evenly, when Boo is just a maniacal accidental creation. And so on.
So you saying skill doesn't matter even in the most even (no pun intended) of fights :o_O:
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Of course it matters in an extremely close fight because it would be the only way to distinguish two fighters if everything else was almost equal (unless other outside factors were present like enhanced stamina or regeneration) but the majority of the time it doesn't. I can't think of an example where it mattered either so it'd be a pretty rare case.
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Jul 5 2013, 06:31 PM
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Jul 4 2013, 10:30 PM
Skill isn't even apparent in the Manga. It's pretty much all just throwing punches and kicks, how can you even tell? The Cell beat down especially was just random kicks and punches with no skill.
How can you say that?
If you call those random punches and kicks then you say the same about a kung fu fighter.
What difference is there between a kung fu punch and a street punch?
Practically, no difference whatsoever.
The only difference between the two is that the kung fu fighter knows when / how / after or before what to use that ''random'' punch when the street fighter would just throw it with no consideration.
Something which will decide the kung fu fighter's superiority against the street fighter.

The same applies for the battle between Cell and Gohan. They may have been random punches and kicks but it is how they used them that decides each their skills.
I can say it because I read the fight. How the hell can you see Goku and Piccolo's skills in that beatdown when Gohan is literally just doing the same thing every fighter in the entire series does, block, dodge, punch and kick.
Okay, so you're saying that a kung fu fighter does the same correct? He just blocks, dodges, punches and kicks. . . :o
What ELSE do you expect a fighter to actually DO?
You're saying that when Gohan fought Cell he was just fighting blindingly, giving hits to his opponent randomly?
I'm sorry, but if this happened with every DBZ fight it would just be called a beatdown. Not a fight combining martial arts.
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Clearin
Jul 5 2013, 06:31 PM
Andro38Z
Jul 5 2013, 06:05 PM
Clearin
Jul 4 2013, 10:30 PM
Skill isn't even apparent in the Manga. It's pretty much all just throwing punches and kicks, how can you even tell? The Cell beat down especially was just random kicks and punches with no skill.
How can you say that?
If you call those random punches and kicks then you say the same about a kung fu fighter.
What difference is there between a kung fu punch and a street punch?
Practically, no difference whatsoever.
The only difference between the two is that the kung fu fighter knows when / how / after or before what to use that ''random'' punch when the street fighter would just throw it with no consideration.
Something which will decide the kung fu fighter's superiority against the street fighter.

The same applies for the battle between Cell and Gohan. They may have been random punches and kicks but it is how they used them that decides each their skills.
I can say it because I read the fight. How the hell can you see Goku and Piccolo's skills in that beatdown when Gohan is literally just doing the same thing every fighter in the entire series does, block, dodge, punch and kick.

Okay, so you're saying that a kung fu fighter does the same correct? He just blocks, dodges, punches and kicks. . . :o
What ELSE do you expect a fighter to actually DO?
You're saying that when Gohan fought Cell he was just fighting blindingly, giving hits to his opponent randomly?
I'm sorry, but if this happened with every DBZ fight it would just be called a beatdown. Not a fight combining martial arts.

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I don't think almost every fight in DBZ was done with no skill whatsoever. EVERY fight and I mean EVERY one in DBZ combines skill with raw strength and speed.
What do you expect to see in a high speed battle other than blind punches and kicks? You may not see it but every single fight required skill. How do you explain Gokuu Jr. fighting Grandpa Gohan and almost winning?
Because he fought with skill. In DBZ the speed and power changed but the skill remained from the original DB.
You can't say that Gokuu changed his style of fighting from DB to DBZ. Gokuu's style was always one and that's why he won. . . because of skill in fighting.
If you combine that skill with the power that Gokuu has it leads to amazing strength. That's why Gokuu is the best fighter alive.
Edited by Andro, Jul 6 2013, 10:09 AM.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jul 6 2013, 09:54 AM
Of course it matters in an extremely close fight because it would be the only way to distinguish two fighters if everything else was almost equal (unless other outside factors were present like enhanced stamina or regeneration) but the majority of the time it doesn't. I can't think of an example where it mattered either so it'd be a pretty rare case.
Whilst it didn't really matter in the #17/Piccolo fight, I still think the way Piccolo got in his final attack (the one #17 used the barrier for) was really smart & it showed how skilled he really is. #17 was really fooled into thinking that, Piccolo just kept missing his target :lol: , I think any somewhat skilled fighter could have at least seen it coming half way through. So I think if this would have been any other fighter or #17 wouldn't have had the barrier than Piccolo's skill would have indeed won him the fight.
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